there. iowa, wisconsin, he lived in those states. >> if she doesn't run, i'm not betting on andy quomo over joe biden. >> see, i would. i would definitely. >> it's the same argument that we made for hillary clinton. she's going to have the money, she's got the establishmented and she's got all good people around her. andrew quomo dunt come into that race as formidable as hillary clinton looked. >> how do you prevent, kevin, a republican primary picture that you guys had. i think a lot of you folks in romney will believe that the republicans hurt romney. >> i think that the debates became a bit of a side show there. if you looked at the volatility of the electorate at the time and how the numbers went up and down based on the big performances and the side show that they became, i think that was something that had a very big effect. >> you could have a large -- >> i think the rnc can step in and take a bit more of a management role in the process