that they were intent about doing. you were being open and honest about who you were and what you were. >> i think so. >> how come you said your name was john and that you were in your 40s when you're really tom and 61 years old? >> many people when you're on the internet won't talk to anybody if they're in their 50s. >> yeah, but that runs against what you told me just a few moments ago. if you're going to be honest and so mentoring, why not say, look, i'm a guy. i'm 61. i had a real tough time dealing with being gay years ago. let me help you to develop. to be a good guy. you didn't say that. what you said was "i'm in my 40s, i have a different name, and i want to meet you." >> and you're probably right. but also -- >> i'm not probably right. i am right. >> i'm still extremely nervous and the only reason i'm