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because these profits are enormous, and we're talking about multi-national corporations, you have to have a penalty in addition on top of the actual damage in order to deter future oil companies from taking these kinds of risky shortcuts and putting profits over safety >> i want to go to just that question of profits, mike. just sort of looking at where corporate profits are right now. they are up 171%. despite all of the discourse oh, we have this terrible so-called socialist president who is redistributing income, 171% is the profit margin that these companies, not just oil companies, but corporations in general. is there anything that can get them to behave in a way that is responsive to anything other than the bottom line? >> well, lawsuits like this are very important, so it's one thing, it's important to remember the point of this gross negligence charge that the civil courts are bringing forward. one thing for them to say there's all these damages and we're going to pay it out.

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