channels of communications with the dprk. instead of spending money on celebrity sporting events to entertain the elites of that country. the north koreans should focus on the well being of its own people who have been starved, imprisoned and denied human rights. the united states has channels of communications directly, and those are the channels we choose to employ. >> joining me now, brian shelter of the new york times and steve clemens, washington editor of the atlantic. brian, you got the story today from the new york times of exactly how dennis rodman got in the country. how did they do that? >> they fought like diplomats, the advice, the staff who wanted to get back in north korea, they thought, what would the regime and north korea want? they love basketball, they love the chicago bulls, what about dennis rodman? they brought him, they did an exhibition basketball game and we know the rest. >> these were producers of a
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