i think there is this noninterventionist streak in the republican party. what i find fascinating, though, is i think it's also easy to overstate that, like, if you go back to that nsa vote last week, a majority of republicans wanted to continue the program. a majority of democrats voted against it. michele bachmann got down in the well of the house and talked jihad, jihad, jihad. >> right. >> and didn't want anything to do with this amendment. i do think it's an open question, really, where the base is. >> absolutely. it's an interesting thing, where more democrats voted for this but the action in initiating these things are coming from libertarian republicans like rand paul. and, yes, republicans when they're out of power suddenly get skeptical about its use. >> right. >> which is why this fight is actually important out there, right? because right now there isn't really any democratic action on the space where barack obama used to be. which is a critic of overreach in the war on terror. hillary clinton's not going to be bringing that game in 2016. the president obviously cannot. he's adopted a lot of dick cheney-style tactics. >> chris christie won't. >> chris christie certainly will not.