and whereas they believe the government is. the fact is, however, at the end of the day this is a national registry of gun owners, i mean, that's precisely what it is. you can -- you can call it what you want but at the end of the day, it walks and it quacks like a duck. the nra is the organization that collects information on gun owners. and it's the list that's the problem. if the collection of the list is a problem, then they have -- >> right, they have the database, and lord knows what national security letter or what national agency wanted to acquire it. as we know the porous line between the government and private data that's collected which grows ever more porous by the day. gary young from "the guardian," thanks for your time. >> thank you. right now there exists a perfect physical example of just how our society is being divided up piece by piece, class by class. i'll tell you what it is next. she loves a lot of the same things you do.