want to. i don't call it that. i call it standing up for america's traditional family values. >> now, let's fast forward. come to the day. rick santorum on gay marriage echoing helms' talking points. listen to this. >> it threatens my marriage. it threatens all marriages. it threatens the traditional values of this country. so in many ways, we're seeing a modern more nuanced version of the same themes in different areas here, joe madison. >> well, that's exactly right. when jesse helms died and left the senate, jim crow died with him. and now what has been resurrected is james crow esquire. you just said it. there's no if, ands, buts about it. we who call ourselves progressives feed to stop calling these people conservatives because real