>> she learned something. >> rudy huxtabl was always ahead of the tea party because they are not tired and learning. what they want in the grover -- a government so small enough you can put it down the bath tub. the important point i don't want to lose here, that is wrong on policy grounds because it is expensive to shut down the government in this way. the studies are out there it would be over a billion dollars a week as a cost. the thing you're doing that you hit government with makes government even more expensive. >> that's absolutely right. there's no pressure coming from their constituents because they hate obama care and government. that's the tea party these sis. >> they are confused obama care is going to be negativively impacted which it won't be. >> i don't want to get bogged down on shutdown because the point is an attack on obama care. they are rooting for it to fail. bill clinton said something interesting about that this