bipartisan concensus. but putting the potential for international economic catastrophe and american economic collapse as the price of having that conversation now instead of later, we just can't -- we can't ever do it, ever. >> no. and we're not going to default. i'm going to tell you, john boehner is a friend of mine. we're both from ohio. i served with him for 18 years. he's not going to let that happen. but the problem is -- and the reason this isn't working like tip o'neill and ronald reagan, there is an absence of trust between the white house and the house republicans. now, you can say -- you can say, oh, it's obama's fault or it's boehner's fault. it really doesn't make any difference. and so when the president says, i'll talk to you all you want if you just do this, it's what i call the wimpy statement. you're not old enough to remember wimpy and popeye. wimpy would say i'd gladly pay you a tuesday for the hamburger today. the republicans were don't buy that from the president. >> if they were giving him a hamburger, okay. to keep the government going, avoid catastrophe? we could talk about this all night. i have a feeling we'd end up at the same place. your willingness to have the conversation and civility and spirit with which you approach