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such things. how he decides when to go public, when to make a statement, how do you read him? >> i think i read him as frustrated, because, remember, we all agree on the goal here. it's widely popular in america that we should fix these broken discriminatory insurance markets. so the sick and healthy alike can get insurance at a fair price without exclusion of pre-existing conditions. we all agree on that. the problem is that some people want to do that and yet not change anything else about the system. we have to recognize about obama care is it's the least disruptive way -- as the president said, it's the least disruptive way to fix the system. but there's still a little disruption. and i think he's frustrated that that very little disruption has gotten center stage while the benefits to the millions of americans who are currently shut out of insurance and at risk of medical bankruptcy is being ignored. i think his hope today is to regain that debate. i think once the website starts working, he will. once we can create the winners that this law does create to

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