ruled it out? >> the notion of clemency, a simple, you know, no harm, no foul, i think that would be going too far, but in the resolution of this matter, with an exception of responsibility, you know, we would always, you know, engage in those kinds of conversations. >> what else did you learn from the attorney general? >> we learned that he thinks the debate over the nsa program's legality is over. i asked him directly to get his first on the record for response to the board statement that this was illegal and he said they are wrong. he said the vast number of judges have looked at this, including the spy court itself when it looks at it constitutionally have said these programs are legal. i pushed back to a d.c. court ruling saying the data is probably unconstitutional. he is a former judge himself and he said that is over. the question is more about policy and law he is working with james clapper on that.