conference he was like i'm very hands on, we're like a family but have i these rogue people in my office. as a former press secretary, to not tell your boss a horrible story is coming, that doesn't sound right. what evidence do we think wildstein has? >> in terms of evidence, i don't know. my observations of him beside being someone when you work for him, when you're part of his team, he was very good to me, very good for my career and somebody who always had my back if i needed it professionally. my observation working for him professionally is he's a guy who thinks very strategically, who does contingency planning. he will keep records, he will keep e-mails, he will be prepared -- i was talking to another guy who used to work for him on my show earlier today, he said when the music stops, he's not the kind of guy who is left without a chair. i don't know. this could be all one great bluff, but what i know about