exposing herself to the cheap shots after the minute she starts talk? used to be you go to new haven to try out. how does she try out? >> there are challenges. maybe doing a couple "hardball" college town halls will do it. >> would help us. >> the reality she's got the benefits of being an incumbent without having to run the federal government. right now she is an incumbent within the democratic party. those people win. look at clinton, look at bush, look at obama. when they don't have nomination challenges. that's why i think avoiding a serious nomination challenge is so important. yes, she'll be a little rusty. yes, she'll go in the first general election debate knoll having been tested of late, but avoiding that, having republicans beat each other up and having her go through that process, raise all the money for the general, that's a lot of strength. i'll take the rustiness if that's the tradeoff. >> i got a tunnel for you guys, hat trick. okay? how about triple play? hat trick. what do you think? >> we'll put those in the hopper. >> they're going to be doing it again.