as you and howard dean prove at the dnc when you guys were running the ship over there, local grassroots networks matter a whole lot. >> absolutely. >> in politics. >> well, absolutely. and just the easiest way to take a look at that is how much money was roughly $200 a vote that eric cantor spent versus how much did brat spend? almost nothing. he organized clearly. although the turnout numbers were small, he got out the numbers clearly. he knew what he needed to get out and he got it out. i will poke a little fun at the virginia democratic party. i am glad that they kind of decided that they maybe should have a candidate in the race in case cantor doesn't win. >> he is a last-minute thing. >> didn't they have a conference call? karen, didn't they have a conference call? they nominated somebody by conference call. >> a book about the economics of slavery in richmond, looks like a very interesting book. howard fineman and karen finney, thank you. always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> thanks. coming up, it appears