like some of the other ones we've been seeing, they are so confusing because they aren't all that damaging. nobody has died. it's been a bad attack on a company, but not that bad an attack an a country. >> in terms of america's capabilities in this type of -- i want to call it even conflict. i'm not sure. in terms of america's capabilities when it comes to cybersecurity and cyberwarfare. the united states cybercommand was in the military. is that essentially a defensive organization that's about hardening american targets, either governmental, military or even american commercial targets. or is that part of our military that is doing offensive work to screw up other countries essentially by hacking in the name of the u.s. military? >> no, no, no, they are not just defensive. and our cyberleaders are quite proud about their offensive capabilities.