to do. and we just saw evidence of three people who are gloating about the fact that they know that this hurts democrats because it is suppressing the black vote. >> if you're looking for federal benefits, then of course you have to show who you are because there's a lot of fraud in that world. >> right, absolutely. >> there's no evidence nobody on the right has induced much evidence that there's any kind of widespread fraud in the voting booth. all you have to do to vote is be a citizen of the united states. there's even a movement ben carson put this in his book he doesn't understand why people who don't pay taxes have the right to vote. >> that's rather hamiltonian. you have a position. that's fair enough. it may not be right. it's fair enough. >> no no we can agree to disagree. >> i'm not doing that. i don't do that here. it's interesting just to get back to the stakes here. but the white vote -- i don't