we with wouldn't have the wealth that the united states has. we wouldn't have industrialization. we wouldn't is have just charlottesville, but detroit, charlotte, new york. >> when you say we wouldn't have the wealth. if you would like to see, you can look at the existing wealth gap. le the median household wealth for white households being 13 times that of black households. $141,000 to $11,000. you can close the gap but they grow on themselves. is that the argument for reparation? >> i was going to say it's not just individual families. part of the early 24th century reparations movements was to get damages from private corporations. now we have universities that have financially benefitted from slavery. so it's the systema tirkstic,