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he saw in being aggressive, no down side. everybody looking at the debate saw it poorly but that's how he wanted to enter it. >> doing the calculations of the time of what everybody got, donald trump got the most and rand paul got the least. let's talk about the happy hour debate. because these are the seven people relegated to the 5:00 p.m. hour. a lot of people are talking about the performance, the gravitas that carly fiorina demonstrated. do you agree with that? or do you think that's some type of setup from other forces at work over at fox news? >> i wouldn't say at fox news. i think one thing that distinguishing carly fiorina's campaign i like happy hour debate. that's actually the most pleasant way of putting this so far. she has a very good aggressive press-savvy campaign team. they sort of tilled the soil for carly to win this debate.

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