talking about superdelegates so early in time, the risk for that for hillary clinton is that it says to the electret that is already angry with politics as usual that she expects us to be a coronation and people like competition and they want to be able to know that their vote is going to count. >> steve, one short point here, biden did run in 2008 and didn't make it to the end of the race. >> he's vice president. >> hilary was in it in the end and didn't get too far out of the box. so i mean, it's not as if he has a tremendous background that would say yeah, you're the next guy to run for the party -- >> let's go with one word answers here. columbus day weekend, is joe biden in the race or not? david? >> gosh, i would have to bet no but i think it's 50/50 at this point. >> but you're leaning no, michelle? >> no columbus day weekend. too soon but his likability numbers are high and i do think he's still going to get into the race. >> and paul?