glasses, who knew what he was talking about, hobnobbed with think tank experts, but on the other hand being the cowboy texas type. he had trouble doing both at once. the reality was he could never really grab the spotlight at all and unable to shake the terrible and unfortunately for him the very amusing mistake he made in the last debate when he was running for president in the previous cycle. donald trump has changed the parameters of the debate, raised the bar to what gets attention and rick perry couldn't do it. >> jonathan, as we shift gears to bernie sanders. he's speaking at liberty university tomorrow. while the new msnbc poll shows he's pretty likable among democrats, 28% of them say they don't know his name. we three might find that surprising, given his tenure in politics, but how much of a problem do you think this is for the sanders campaign? >> i think it's a sign of opportunity there for him, that he's doing so well in iowa and