frustrated, the person who is -- says hateful things. i happens to me all the time. it happens to all of us. i am no longer worried about losing a vote. when something like this happens, i try to use it as a teaching moment, to teach people about who i am and what i believe and really to reset the table. i think president obama's been a weak opponent of evil, a poor champion of freedom. i think he undersells the threats to this country, oversells our successes, but i don't question his faith, i don't question his patriotism, i don't question where he's born and this is the time for people in the political arena to push back on what i think is a growing belief in america you can say anything about anybody and it doesn't matter. it does matter. >> is this a defining moment for donald trump? >> it is. this is a defining moment for all of us here. now, listen, there are people in my party who are frustrated. i don't like president obama's policies, i think he's --