like it. jason chaffetz who announced he's officially going to challenge mccarthy for the speakership went after mccarthy hard for the comment. >> to suggest that there is any sort of political motivation is absolutely -- it's not fair to mr. gowdy, it's not fair to myself and most importantly it's not fair to those four families who lost the loved ones. i think he should withdraw that statement. i think he needs to express how wrong it was. it was never the intention, it's not what we're doing and i think the statement is totally wrong. >> rich, i've talked to a lot of republicans on the house who are furious at mccarthy because they feel as if they just handed hillary clinton a talking point for the october 22 testimony. let's set that part aside a minute. is mccarthy in trouble? >> yes, he is. in this sense. he has a strong lock on the house republican caucus. he probably has 190 votes. he needs more. he needs to get 218 on the floor to actually become speaker and