what he can do. on the other, you can say, he's got no cover, because the people who want reform don't trust him and the people who don't want reform don't trust him. >> republicans have wiped out democrats on the state level and governorships, they had a really good last week, all this kind of stuff. and very little of that had anything to do with immigration or immigration reform, right? so this is a presidential year, and let's remember, this is -- one of the craziest political season we've ever seen, ever since donald trump escalatored down into our political lives and said mexicans were rapists. and then immediately doubled in the polls -- >> changed everything. >> speaking of the man running the escalator, trump just gave an interview and had an interesting characterization of ben carson. take a listen. >> when he says he's pathological, and he says that in the book. i don't say that. and again, i don't say anything. i'm not saying anything other than pathological is a very serious disease. and he said he's pathological. that's a big problem. because you don't cure that.