with this all the time. these are people from guatemala, el salvador and honduras. the numbers are impressive. more than 10,000 unaccompanied kids in the last two months and the numbers for families are even higher, more than 12,000 family members crossing the border. that's nearly triple the same amount this time last year. so they're climbing up the u.s. customs commissioner, he said this may very well be the new normal. he's concerned about this. he had homeland security people, not saying this was a crisis. they're saying this is not a border security issue, a humanitarian issue. officials disagree. they say it is a security issue. so this is just ripe for the political argument that we heard earlier on the show. in the meantime the families and kid are pouring in. >> when these families and kids that are coming through in high