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victim. if there wasn't, he's the decedent, but he's the dead child in the incident. also they mentioned he would sometimes play cops and robbers, this 12-year-old child. a lot of kids may do that. the officers had no knowledge of that. so legally whether they in this instant faced a deadly threat is the legal question. having a prosecutor say tamir rice played cops and robbers or wore a big coat, again, an odd and aggressive manner for what was supposed to be a review of the officer's conduct. >> and the family of tamir rice have said in part, even though it's black letter law that taking the stand waves the fifth amendment right to be silent, the prosecutor didn't seek a court order compelling the officers to answer questions or holding them in contempt if they continued to refuse. how common place is that if. >> it's not common place at all. like i said, the manner in which

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