mitt romney remains the front-runner, the answer i got is, no, he is not. but i think there is a lot of guesswork going on. >> mulally makes perfect sense if you look at history, because robert mcnamara was picked by john kennedy. he came in from a field, you know, manufacturing, right into foreign affairs. and he was probably one of our great secretaries of defense, you know, until the vietnam war got out of hand. >> reporter: right. that's right. and look, the skills that you need in the global economy, to be a successful ceo of an international company certainly are applicable, although, you've got some people who are being considered, who just don't have diplomatic experience. but clearly, donald trump doesn't value particular governmental experience in quite the same way that many other presidents have. he, of course, doesn't have any governing experience himself. and there are many people at the state department who could advise someone who comes in from the outside. but, you know, he -- as katy tur