away all of the ability to hold him up to facts, to hold him accountable for what he said because he made us people who were never telling the truth. >> unintentionally, he didn't make us a pack. he basically is saying there are good people and bad people. he didn't accuse the whole press. going back to joe mccarthy. he didn't go to the jackle pack. he didn't do that. what do you make of his tactics generally? >> today was interesting because it was a divide and conquer strategy. by singling out buzzfeed and cnn, he tried to play to other members of press core, and it was effective. i thought he was calm, confident, he was mixing it up with reporters and he did not answer the substantive questions about his finances and conflicts of interests. from trump's standpoint today was a total victory. >> let me start with the other people. hugh and andrew, did trump win today in this battle between him