senses won in so far as a bunch of those hearings have been postponed? >> it seems like we've made some progress but i wouldn't declare victory yet because the challenge, for example, with devod devos is a vast challenge and she hasn't even submitted the paperwork yet. is the leadership going to say well she hasn't submitted the paperwork and we don't have the divestment plan but still we want her in the job and try to push it through? they may well do so and we'll try to stop it. >> devos, of course, nominated for secretary of education who is a billionaire, comes from a fantastically wealthy family, huge amounts of holdings and would have to go through a process -- she would have to go through a process that's insisted upon by law in a way donald trump wouldn't which is that she won't have any option, right, to pass over the family business to her kids or something, she has to divest and put in the a blind trust? >> this is -- that is the