i.d. in those states that require it and people living here couldn't get it and were prohibited from voting? i mean, on its face, it just does not make sense. >> but reverend, there's one thing that we've got to remember. back in 2002, remember when robert gonzales was -- and ashcroft were attorney general of the united states, they tried the same thing. >> right. >> they said go out there and find some people who are improperly registering people to vote and all that kind of thing, and voting improperly. and then when the attorney general, the u.s. attorneys general of various states went out and could not find any evidence of it, then they fired between seven and nine of them because they refused to go and prosecute people when they had no evidence. so i'm wondering if this is a setup, reverend, to then expand all of these restrictive laws to even the states that don't have them now. do you follow me? >> and when you talk about a