dozens of instances to be able to get the same kind of access that we have had overseas on foreign intelligence targets so that the united states can make better decisions as it hunts al qaeda or isis or tries to figure out what putin is up to, as he expands his activities into eastern ukraine. it potentially does. the more you degradate the intelligence capabilities of the united states the more likely as we saw in the 1990s and in 2001 with september 11th, the more likely it is a catastrophic attack could occur in the united states. >> how does the cia recover? >> i think, look, any computer -- any kind of programming device that enables us to eavesdrop on does have some shelf life. in the digital age things are developing quickly. so we are always developing new tools. this sets us back.