atlantic alliance. this administration shied away from that deliberately. that's why i always like to ask them, when you talk about america first when you' you're abroad, how do they respond to that? because it may play well with a lot of places here, but there's very few other places around the world that want to hear america first. so, here we're seeing a much more layered, textured, contoured message. >> is it a message that more people around the world want to hear, that it's a more direct message, it seems to be a more forceful message? >> i think it's a message that leaders around the world want to hear because they want a strong america standing up -- leaders, when i say leaders around the world, allies, traditional allies of the united states around the world. becae if you don't have american leadership speaking up for democracy and human rights, you're missing a big voice there. the thing that's going to be interesting is to see how the trump voters respond to this.