they know how -- >> do you see some of the same -- i remember 2010 and there were grass roots emotions in opposition to obamacare but don't you see a parallel to grass roots opposition now against taking away the care that it provided? >> it's easier to be against something than for it. harder to make an argument against it than make the affirmative case for why this is good legislation. we have not heard the affirmative case for why this is better than the status quo. president trump has not given a single speech about health care in the last month. he hasn't made the argument. >> you're holding your breath. thank you doug holtzs eakin for being with us. is president trump changing his tune on russia now that gets to blame his predecessor? ps) (laughing) (light upbeat music) (laughing) ♪ if i were a rich man ♪ daidle deedle daidle