pendleton, dempsey got rid of long term seg in favor of a short-term segregation policy. >> in some cases, you have to segregate an offender in the best interests of everybody else, to keep people safe and keep people from getting hurt. you have to find a balance between keeping people safe, yet also finding a way to offer treatment programs that will make a difference to turn that particular kid around. what are the options out there? what new ideas and creative programming can we come up with? you have to think outside the box and take risks, unfortunately. >> coming up, abel villegas struggles to come to grips with more time behind bars. >> it makes you miss your family a lot. you don't have that much freedom in here. you have people telling when you to eat, when to go to the restroom, when to sleep. it is not right. it is not nice.