he is and was if it wasn't for the fun that tds that the merce providing to them. the big thing is the mersers and what are they doing? >> yeah. one other note, kurt, they had friends outside of breitbart. a gentleman named mitchell sunderland who was caught in one of these e-mails saying to milo, please mock this feminist. so how broadly disbursed are these friends of milo and bannon through other media that are not breitbart? >> i think they've done a good job of cultivating their private network of people that have a wide reach, are in other organizations to, again, stir up and create an echo chamber to advance their brand of