ron, and one of the two journalists who, as they say, was in the room for these interviews. we've all chewed on the quote for iq testing. you were there looking the man in the eye. was there mirth, frivolity, sarcasm? >> it is a real experience to ask the president in office did the secretary of state call you a moron. he waited a few seconds, gave a more general answer, and i then asked a specific question about what secretary tillerson really did call him. he went right into it. i laughed after it and he didn't laugh. so whether or not that's a joke or not, it's probably only in president trump's heart to really know. but i took it as a funny, but he was not laughing. >> this is the writer sitting next to you today who reminded associated press readers the remark landed with a distinct