printing press which allowed him to then dig into the things donald trump avoids of books. and i keep -- you know, when you -- when anything now in the age of trump is a different experience. i feel like reading this book two years ago if it had existed would be a different experience than i have had reading it now because i'm finding parallels to it to say look how dark it got in florence in the bonfire of the vanities and look at how they came out of it because we keep looking for those cycles because many of us can feel we're in a dark period now. >> well, the good thing about history is it teaches us there are cycles. things act, things react. we had that. lasted less than four years to take heart from that. >> yeah, yeah. >> and, you know, florence became more tolerant again. and we had it during the joseph mccarthy period. you have a book coming out about 1968 that really has resonance. >> very dark period, yeah. >> we came out of that. >> in the middle of the it we didn't know we could.