he now calls him a liar. which in itself is unprecedented that the president of the united states would call a cooperating government witness when's going to be testifying on behalf of the united states -- >> in -- on this, papadopoulos agrees. he pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. >> correct. you don't -- the head of the government doesn't go out and call its own witness a liar. that's for the defense counsel. >> or comment in any way on criminal proceedings. >> that's right. that is total disregard for the judicial process. under normal circumstances, i think mueller should be going in there and asking for a gag order on this individual. i mean, he has no business interfering with this. i mean, i think where trump is, he sees an indictment of his campaign manager. this indictment is so well written it is so well conceived. it is based purely on documentary evidence. they don't need to call a single