what are the chances that the government shuts down? >> i think they should be rather small. i mean, heaven forbid if we can't pass a short-term continuing resolution from december 8th until say, december 20th. and shame on us. we should be able to do that hopefully without too much drama and the question, add children's health insurance program to that resolution. something like that could happen. i don't think there should be a shutdown. we need democratic votes. we don't have 218 republican votes in the house to pass an omnibus, haven't had in the past i don't think we have them now pt the democrats have leverage. the question, are they willing to play ball? i think they are. we need them to pass the budget agreement and operations bill. >> they do have leverage and nancy pelosi already said they will use daca as leverage. so if they're going to do that, i mean, where should republicans fall on the issue of d.r.e.a.m.ers?