broken this jda, joint defense agreement, michael flynn has something on somebody higher up than him? >> at this point, no. when you see this kind of thing that's broken, a joint defense ate agreement is broken. reported earlier that flynn's lawyers went in to see mueller's prosecutors it is very possible today was the first day that an attorney proffer was made with the attorney -- >> attorneys will sell whatever he has in the best convey they can. doesn't necessarily mean he has something? >> yes. doesn't mean the government accepts it. when someone cooperates with the government, first question, can they provide substantial assistance? giving the government information about a crime committed they don't already have or want another narrator in the room to tell them and also prove it's true. could be the beginning of a lengthy process and process and plead and don't come to agreement. >> if they're looking, mueller's looking at obstruction and the president's reasons for firing james comey. we know he was trying to get him to drop the investigation into