elected president obama we're going to have a post-race america. we're having the exact same conversation because we had clinton almost getting to the bullpen. equally here. feminists. she, too, can be president. in fact, opening ourselves and rogsdsing we are have a cathartic movements, not as far ahead actual chuculturally as w. far more than reckoning. having real conversations. it has to start in the schools. it's too late by the time somebody gets into congress. >> at home and in schools, yes. >> but this political problem. let's get down to brass tacks. it's clinton and trump. >> yeah. >> okay? that is -- that is how each side is rationalizing their -- timid behavior. i think it's an excuse, to be honest. >> by the way, it is a total excuse. we started reporting here in washington, you know, after tailhook. i watched, you watched, we all