disastrous for the president. and the president seemed to confirm that by having that be the thing that made him keep saying, i can fire mueller, i can fire mueller. >> completely. and then at one point, of course, he says -- he gives an interview to the "new york times" and he -- he draws the line. he says, mueller can't go here. you know, can't go into his family finances. and, you know, bannon then pointed out to me afterward bannon makes this noise, he says let's just tell the prosecutor what he can't look at. >> yes. imagine for us as you know this trump character and i think have conveyed him better than anybody has conveyed him because you get these dimensions that are difficult to capture, all these weird dimensions. imagine him in an interview with the special prosecutor when the special prosecutor says why did