was gone after yesterday. >> i guess we're doing our favorite hal raines quotes. you used to talk about raising the creative metabolism of an organization. is that correct, sir? >> that's correct. on that point, let me say having had the experience of being scooped by the "new york daily news" on more than one occasion, i have absolute respect for our sister publication. >> trying to stoke a rivalry and you end up in a mutual admiration -- we could use more of this in our lives. the creative metabolism of the trump organization, if you like it, if you believe in it and there were voters who thought it would be good for america, it's the creation of something out of nothing. if you don't like it, if you think it's a con like the students of trump university and others have alleged, what you think is people like michael cohen go running around making promises they can't keep. how do you analyze that in light of what we've learned this week? >> well, it's an interesting