all of them, right? name one person who has come into donald trump's contact in that office in the last 16 months who has walked out the other side in a better place than when they walked in. there is not one. all who have gone through there so far have been diminished in all of the ways we can count. just in an empirical sense. none of them are worth more money. none of them have their stature or reputation enhanced. that's hard to do. the building is magical, right? somehow, donald trump is -- i mean there are various phrases for it. people say everything trump touches dies, whatever. there are different cliches around this, but it is true. it really is an odd exercise to go through. try to think of someone who, through contact with donald trump, has emerged enhanced, burnished. >> reverse midas man. >> great stuff as always. thank you both for coming in tonight. >> thanks, brian. coming up, a tense hearing in washington with a man who happens to be in a very bad