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fine, not this big storm troopers coming in and breaking down his apartment and breaking down his office. that was money that was paid by his lawyer, the way i would do, out of his law firm funds, or whatever funds, doesn't matter. and the president reimbursed that over the period of several months. >> with now, paul ryan, vice president of policy litigation for common cause. his organization first brought a complaint to the stormy daniels pay-out and alleged campaign finance violations. great to have you with us. i want to first get your reactions to giuliani's comments that this was not a violation of campaign finance law, something that the president routinely expected from his fixer michael cohen to do. >> that certainly tells me that rudy guiliani doesn't understand campaign finance law and how it works. that's bad news for president trump that his lawyer's going on national television offering up evidence of a crime having been committed by the president, a

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