punitive policy that stems from current law of removing these children. if that's the only way you can arrest everybody, then you just can't do it. that's what kiersten kneel son has been saying behind t scenes. >> joining me to talk about it tom cole of oklahoma. congressman, it's good to see you tonight. >> thank you, kasie. >> thank you for being here. i want to show you some of the remarks that your colleagues, republican colleagues in the congress have had to say about this topic we've been discussing, separation of children from their families at the border. first paul ryan, the house speaker, and then senator lindsey graham. take a look and we'll talk about it. >> are you comfortable with the current zero tolerance policy leading to parents and children being separated at the border? >> no, i'm not. this is because our court ruling. >> mr. speaker, on that point, this is actually a policy change from the trump administration for zero tolerance -- >> and there is also a court ruling involved. this is something we think should be -- >> religious leaders have come out and said this is inhumane. do you agree?