an expectation that as many as five hostages could be released from this grocery store at any moment now. those five people would be in closest proximity to the suspect, who we also believe is injured and near those front doors. jim cavanaugh, the former atf hostage negotiator who's been watching this with us, is still on the phone now. jim, as we've been learning bits and pieces in the last few minutes what strikes you and what do you make of this notion that five hostages may come out at if i moment now? >> certainly good news. it shows a textbook operation by lapd s.w.a.t. they got the isolation and location of the suspect behind the cash register from the knbc reporting. so they're holding right at the front door and around the back. aaron, and you asked earlier about people coming out the windows on the back side on the top side seeing if the officers could move those people when they were watching the suspect down by the front of the store