to do that. >> well, try. try. >> the worst case scenario is that there is something going on here. >> i guess like what's second worst? >> the second worst is that donald trump just assumes that he has so many skeletons in his closet -- >> he just hates europe and loves russia? what is second? >> second is that trump knows there are skeletons in his closet, financial and otherwise. he just assumes that putin has that information and could put it out. >> the other is that he's more sympathetic to authoritarians than he is democrats and he looks at putin and says i want to have the kind of money and power that that guy has. he finds him more admirable than he does theresa may or angela merkel. i think it's all of these things, by the way. >> maybe vladimir putin made a hard pitch for that. we don't know what they talked about for two hours so one can only speculate. but i think the idea that he is going to get richer off of these deals that he may be making with putin, i think that's -- it doesn't mean that there's no