and she would turn on you. he let her into the west wing. she had a nebulous job. no one knew what she did. if this is true, the danger of trump and omarosa is they are not in the reputation preservation business. they're unembarrassable. >> you sure you never really watched? >> i don't do reality tv. >> but think about -- think about it, though. he brought a reality television contestant into the white house as a senior adviser. in the west wing. >> think about this. he worked in this building and received a paycheck from this company for 14 years. eugene robinson and a.b. stoddard, our thanks. terrific conversation. i think she has been sneaking reality television. coming up, as we have reported, the trump presidency has been very good for the book publishing business. there is a new one, already up to number two in new releases in just 24 hours on amazon, and it's unambiguous. it's equally unambiguous author standing by to join us.