"the times" says mcgahn and his lawyer were, quote, stunned by that decision. quote, mcgahn's attorney, william burke, has explain head told white house advisers he did not appreciate the exposure and it was insane that mr. trump did not fight a mcgahn interview in court. but if you look at the president's tweets over the weekend, he says the reason he didn't fight the interview is simple. he has nothing to hide. and there's another part of this. "the times" says the president's legal team never got mcgahn's version of events ahead of time. so that's left them in a position where they believe that the white house counsel didn't put the president in legal jeopardy but they're not sure. here's rudy giuliani on "meet the press." >> we have a good sense, obviously, of what mr. mcgahn testified to. i can figure it out from -- >> how do you say that good sense? have you debriefed him? >> no, but mr. dowd has a good sense of it. he talked to them at the time. >> so you don't know what