threatened to have mueller fired, in fact, ordered him to do so. the "time's" lays out how se is controlling the investigation. he kaugsd investigators that he never saw the president go beyond highs legal authorities. it's not clear past or present has a real grasp of what mcgahn toll mueller's team. >> we have a good sense, obviously, of what mr. mcgahn testified to i can figure it out. >> how do say that good sense? are you debriefed until. >> no, mr. dowd has a good sense of it. he talked to him at the time. >> you don't know 100% of what he testified to, mr. mueller? >> i think that through john dowd, we have have a a pretty good sense, john dowd said yesterday, i'll use his words, mcgahn was a strong witness for the president. i don't teed to know much more than that. >> this teams to be cleared up. while the president agonizing of